A conversation between artist and SPCUNY co-director Chloë Bass and scholar and critic Hannah Zeavin about the greater recognition of the need for care in our social infrastructure, our relationships with each other, and our relationships with ourselves, while facing the simultaneous reality that modes of care have become increasingly technological and at screen’s length from our embodied lives. The follow-up to a talk hosted by the Brooklyn Public Library and the Art World Conference in 2021, this talk brings Bass and Zeavin together for continued conversation about the many meanings of care, care’s potential violence both in IRL and AFK arenas, and the ongoing importance of translating between digital and material form. The conversation builds on Zeavin's engagement with technology as a simultaneous mediating support and form of surveillance with respect to familial care (her book Mother's Little Helpers is forthcoming from MIT Press), dovetailing with Bass' ongoing artistic research project Obligation to Others Holds Me in My Place, a study of intimacy at the scale of the immediate family